Differences

This shows you the differences between two versions of the page.

--- dom6:dream-seduction [2026/07/29 09:02]
druwski [Who has it]
+++ dom6:dream-seduction [2026/09/03 01:30] (current)
druwski [Items]
@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
 ====== Dream Seduction ======
-{{:abilities:dream_seduction.png?nolink }} **Dream Seduction** lets a [[stealthy]] commander take an enemy commander over to their own side, together with the troops that commander leads, and leave without a battle. A unit description shows the ability with the number it rolls against morale, for example **Dream Seduction (Morale vs. 15)**.
+{{:abilities:dream_seduction.png?nolink }} **Dream Seduction** lets a [[stealthy]] commander take an enemy commander over to their own side, together with the troops that commander leads, and leave without a battle.
-It uses the same **Seduce** order as ordinary [[seduction|Seduction]], given while the commander hides in an enemy province, and it spends the whole turn. Like assassination, it cannot be attempted while besieged or besieging a fort unless the seducer can fly, scale walls or teleport.
+The unit panel shows only the name and the icon. The value the ability rolls against morale is not displayed anywhere in the game.
-The difference from ordinary seduction is an extra check in front: the target rolls [[magic-resistance|Magic Resistance]] first, and only a target that loses that roll ever reaches the morale roll that decides the seduction. Losing the first roll costs the seducer nothing at all.
+It uses the same **Seduce** order as ordinary [[seduction|Seduction]], given while the commander hides in an enemy province, and it spends the whole turn. Like assassination, it cannot be attempted while besieged or besieging a fort unless the seducer can fly or has [[unit-abilities|scale walls]].
+The difference from ordinary seduction is an additional [[magic-resistance|Magic Resistance]] roll before the morale roll. The morale roll only happens if the target fails the Magic Resistance roll. A failed Magic Resistance roll costs the seducer nothing.
 ===== The two rolls =====
-<WRAP box 800px center>==== What each side rolls ====
+<WRAP box 800px center>
 <WRAP column half>
 **Magic Resistance**
@@ Line 22: / Line 24: @@
   * target: [[morale|morale]] + DRN, and **+4** against the same sex
   * a tie goes to the target
-  * the target wins: nothing, or a battle, by the margin
+  * the target wins: nothing or a battle, see [[#what-can-happen|What can happen]]
 </WRAP>
 </WRAP>
-The 15 is the same for every dream seducer. The number in the unit description belongs to the morale roll alone, so ??Red Mistress#4059?? with 20 gets past Magic Resistance no more easily than ??Lilot#2071?? with 14.
+The 15 in the Magic Resistance roll is the same for every dream seducer. The creature's own ability value is used only in the morale roll, so ??Red Mistress#4059?? with 20 passes Magic Resistance no more easily than ??Lilot#2071?? with 14.
 ===== What can happen =====
@@ Line 32: / Line 34: @@
   * **The target wins the Magic Resistance roll.** Nothing happens. The seducer stays hidden and may try again next turn. The message reads "[Seducer] tried to project her wonderful dreams at [target], but the target resisted and no seduction attempt could be done".
   * **The target wins the morale roll by 5 or less.** Nothing happens, and the target keeps the seducer's secret: "[Target] could not shy away from his duties. However [target] did not want [seducer] to get caught and did not give her away".
-  * **The target wins the morale roll by 6 or more.** The target attacks, and an [[assassin|assassination]] battle follows. A failed same-sex attempt always ends in a battle, whatever the margin.
+  * **The target wins the morale roll by 6 or more.** The target attacks, and an [[assassin|assassination]] battle follows.
   * **The seducer wins both rolls.** The target and the troops under its command change sides, and the seducer leaves with the victim for the escape province. The victim's owner is told only that the commander "disappeared one night and was never seen again".
+Against a target of the same sex a lost morale roll always ends in a battle, whatever the margin. See [[#gender|Gender]].
 ===== Before the rolls =====
@@ Line 41: / Line 45: @@
 **A target.** The seducer takes one enemy commander in the province at random. Commanders that are sneaking themselves cannot be picked, and neither can a mount or anything else that belongs to another commander. With no eligible commander present, the order returns "[Seducer] did not find any enemy commander".
-**A way out.** The seducer needs a province next to the target's that its own side holds, and both the seducer and the victim have to be able to enter it, so a sea province is no escape route for a land commander. A [[flying]] seducer that finds no such province escapes to its own capital instead, as long as the capital is still held. With neither, the attempt is called off before any roll: "With nowhere to run with the victim afterwards, [seducer] aborted the seduction attempt".
+**A way out.** The seducer needs a province next to the target's province that its own side holds, and both the seducer and the victim must be able to enter it. A sea province is therefore no escape route for a land commander. A [[flying]] seducer with no such province escapes to its own capital instead, as long as the capital is still held. With neither, the attempt is called off before any roll: "With nowhere to run with the victim afterwards, [seducer] aborted the seduction attempt".
-The capital route carries one restriction the ordinary route does not: the victim may not be larger than the seducer. Every dream seducer is [[size]] 4, so commanders of size 5 to 10 cannot be flown home, and the attempt fails into a battle instead.
+The capital route carries one restriction the ordinary route does not: the victim may not be larger than the seducer. Every dream seducer is [[size]] 4, so commanders of size 5 to 10 cannot be flown home, and the attempt ends in a battle instead.
 ===== Who cannot be taken =====
-  * [[pretenders|Pretender gods]] and other divine beings. The attempt fails and a battle follows, however the rolls went.
+[[pretenders|Pretender gods]], [[prophet|prophets]] and creatures with the Divine Being trait cannot be seduced. The attempt fails and a battle follows, whatever the rolls. The same rule protects them from ??Charm??.
-  * [[mindless|Mindless]] creatures. Their morale is fixed at 50, which a value of 15 does not beat in practice.
-  * Commanders that are sneaking, which are never picked as a target.
-  * On the capital route, any commander larger than the seducer.
+Immobile commanders such as ??Oracle??, ??Monument?? and ??Demilich?? cannot be seduced either. The attempt fails and a battle follows.
+Mindless commanders are not exempt. Nothing in the rules excludes them, but every mindless creature has a [[morale|morale]] of 50, so the seducer must beat 50 plus DRN with its ability value plus DRN. For a ??Succubus#811?? at 15 that succeeds in 0.001% of morale rolls, about 1 attempt in 87,000, and only after the Magic Resistance roll has been passed. With ??Soul Scales?? the chance is 0.002%, and for a ??Red Mistress#4059?? at 20 it is 0.006%.
 ===== Modifiers =====
 ==== Magic penetration ====
-Items that grant magic penetration add to the 15 of the first roll: ??Spell Focus??, ??Ring of Wizardry??, ??Ring of Sorcery??, ??Pearl of Light?? and ??The Flailing Hands?? give +1, and ??Rune Smasher??, ??Eye of the Void??, ??The Green Eye??, ??Flail of Misfortune?? and ??The Trapped Dreams of Hruvur?? give +2. Only the penetration bonus itself counts here; the seducer's own magic levels add nothing.
+Items that grant magic penetration add to the 15 of the first roll. ??Spell Focus??, ??Ring of Wizardry??, ??Ring of Sorcery??, ??Shaman's Staff??, ??Pearl of Light?? and ??The Flailing Hands?? give +1. ??Rune Smasher??, ??Eye of the Void??, ??The Green Eye??, ??Flail of Misfortune?? and ??The Trapped Dreams of Hruvur?? give +2. Only the penetration bonus itself counts here. The seducer's own magic levels add nothing.
 ==== Items ====
-{{:items:soul_scales.png?nolink }} ??Soul Scales?? adds **+2** to the morale roll, and it is the only item that does. Beauty does not enter a dream seduction at all: ??Pendant of Beauty?? and ??Cat Charm?? raise the morale roll of ordinary [[seduction|Seduction]] only.
+{{:items:soul_scales.png?nolink }} ??Soul Scales?? adds **+2** to the seducer's morale roll. No other item improves a dream seduction. Beauty items such as ??Pendant of Beauty?? and ??Cat Charm?? help ordinary [[seduction|Seduction]] only and add nothing here.
-==== Sex ====
+{{:items:cat_charm.png?nolink }} ??Cat Charm?? has one effect on dream seduction: its wearer counts as female. This applies to a seducer and to a target alike, and it decides whether the same-sex rule below is used.
-The engine knows two cases, [[female|Female]] and not female, and compares the two commanders. Against the other sex the morale roll runs as printed. Against the same sex the target adds **+4** to its morale roll, and a failure ends in a battle rather than in silence. Ordinary seduction cannot cross the same-sex line at all, so this is where the two abilities differ most.
+{{:items:bear_claw_talisman.png?nolink }} ??Bear Claw Talisman?? subtracts what a Cat Charm adds, so a wearer of both counts as not female. On its own it changes nothing for a creature with the Female trait. Six creatures count as female by attribute value rather than by the trait, and a Bear Claw Talisman makes those count as not female: ??Heart Companion??, ??Eunuch??, ??Enarie??, ??Qedesim??, ??Ergi?? and ??Brazen Guard??.
-{{:items:cat_charm.png?nolink }} ??Cat Charm?? counts its wearer as female whatever it is, on either side of the attempt. ??Bear Claw Talisman?? works the other way and cancels a Cat Charm, but it cannot take the Female trait off a creature born with it.
+==== Gender ====
+Every unit is either [[female|Female]] or not, and the game compares the seducer with the target before the morale roll. When the two differ, the morale roll is made as printed above, with no modifier. When they are the same, the target adds **+4** to its morale roll, and a lost roll always ends in a battle, whatever the margin.
+Ordinary [[seduction|Seduction]] cannot be used on a target of the same sex. The seducer would have to beat morale plus 999, so the roll never succeeds and the attempt always ends in a battle. A dream seducer is the only seducer that can take a commander of its own sex.
 ==== Warning ====
 ??Ring of Warning?? and ??Clockwork Bird?? grant Warning 60, ??Eye Pendant?? and ??Eye of the Oracle?? grant Warning 80. The value is a percentage, rolled last of all, and it cancels the attempt outright: **an attempt that had already won both rolls is cancelled too**. Both sides are told, so the seducer's owner learns the target "got warned at the last moment". The same value protects against assassination.
+==== Undreaming ====
 The Undreaming ability does not apply. It raises Magic Resistance against a [[auras#sleep-aura|Sleep Aura]] and against nothing else.
@@ Line 76: / Line 86: @@
 ===== Who has it =====
-Seven creatures carry the ability.
+Seven creatures have the ability.
-^ Creature ^ Morale value ^ Is seducer [[female|female?]] ^
+^ Creature ^ Ability value ^ Female ^
 | ??Red Mistress#4059?? | 20 | yes |
 | ??Succubus#811?? | 15 | yes |
@@ Line 86: / Line 96: @@
 | ??Lilot#2071?? | 14 | yes |
 | ??Pairika#2636?? | 14 | yes |
-===== Modding =====
-`#succubus <value>` grants the ability, and the value is the number used in the morale roll. It belongs with `#stealthy`, since a seducer that cannot sneak into an enemy province never gets to use it.
-`#warning <bonus>` sets the percentage that cancels an incoming attempt, `#female` sets the sex the checks compare, and `#pen` on an item raises the first roll. The Soul Scales bonus to the morale roll has no modding command of its own.
 ===== See also =====

The Dominions Wiki

User Tools

Site Tools

Differences

Page Tools