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| //This guide was first featured on [[https://grogmission.blogspot.com/2020/09/dominions-5-maers-monkey-madness-nation.html|Maerlande's website]]. As such any updates to the guide will happen there first and hopefully make it here.// | //This guide was first featured on [[https://grogmission.blogspot.com/2020/09/dominions-5-maers-monkey-madness-nation.html|Maerlande's website]]. As such any updates to the guide will happen there first and hopefully make it here.// |
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| I originally wrote this guide for Dominions 3 in roughly 2010 after a series of successful games playing these two nations with a focus on going into blood magic to prop up some of the weaknesses of the two nations. You can view the original on the wayback machine here: [[https://web.archive.org/web/20101203100357/http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Maer%27s_Monkey_Madness|Monkey Madness Dominions 3]] | {{:nations:ma:bandar_log:markata.png?nolink&30 |}}I originally wrote this guide for Dominions 3 in roughly 2010 after a series of successful games playing these two nations with a focus on going into blood magic to prop up some of the weaknesses of the two nations. You can view the original on the wayback machine here: [[https://web.archive.org/web/20101203100357/http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Maer%27s_Monkey_Madness|Monkey Madness Dominions 3]] |
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| I've had one successful game in Dominions 5 with Patala where we formed a coalition to defeat an extremely dangerous Lemuria and we agreed to give the win to the strongest member of the coalition. I have not played any games with Bandar Log since Dominions 5 was released but much of the ideas here still apply. | I've had one successful game in Dominions 5 with Patala where we formed a coalition to defeat an extremely dangerous Lemuria and we agreed to give the win to the strongest member of the coalition. I have not played any games with Bandar Log since Dominions 5 was released but much of the ideas here still apply. |
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| The major changes to the game particularly with the new way resistances work and the simultaneous battles have major effect on strategy and tactics. I am going to adjust my recommendations to suit. | The major changes to the game particularly with the new way resistances work and the simultaneous battles have major effect on strategy and tactics. I am going to adjust my recommendations to suit. |
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| Both Bandar Log and Patala have superb astral power and amazing national summons to leverage that power. However, these cost tremendous numbers of astral pearls and there are never enough for everything you want to do. You must adapt and you must conserve pearls. | Both Bandar Log and Patala have superb astral power and amazing national summons to leverage that power. However, these cost tremendous numbers of astral pearls and there are never enough for everything you want to do. You must adapt and you must conserve pearls. |
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| In Dominions 3, the item ??Clam of Pearls?? provided one permanent astral pearl per turn each and you could forge as many as you could find water and nature gems. It's my opinion that the high prices for astral summons were based upon this concept and they have not changed significantly since although the clam now only provides a temporary gem in battle. My personal experience is you can get enough pearls for mage summons, forging, battle magic and some global spells. But you can't afford troops from astral spells which is somewhat of a disappointed as the gandharvas are a very nice unit. | In Dominions 3, the item ??Clam of Pearls?? provided one permanent astral pearl per turn each and you could forge as many as you could find water and nature gems. It's my opinion that the high prices for astral summons were based upon this concept and they have not changed significantly since although the clam now only provides a temporary gem in battle. My personal experience is you can get enough pearls for mage summons, forging, battle magic and some global spells. But you can't afford troops from astral spells which is somewhat of a disappointed as the gandharvas are a very nice unit. |
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| One of my motivations for going for serious blood hunting is to improve this situation by providing diversity magi, thugs, troops and forging using blood slaves. It's not my intent to compete as a major blood nation since you have to start small and build slowly. | One of my motivations for going for serious blood hunting is to improve this situation by providing diversity magi, thugs, troops and forging using blood slaves. It's not my intent to compete as a major blood nation since you have to start small and build slowly. |
| Both nations have access to all the national summons of Lanka and this combined with astral power makes for a terrific late game: massed combination communion/sabbaths with every path in the game. To use this amazing power you have to plan. There are a few ways to get a blood economy going with monkeys. | Both nations have access to all the national summons of Lanka and this combined with astral power makes for a terrific late game: massed combination communion/sabbaths with every path in the game. To use this amazing power you have to plan. There are a few ways to get a blood economy going with monkeys. |
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| - The first is a pretender designed to start hunting quickly. | - The first is a pretender designed to start hunting quickly. |
| - The second is scout and commander blood hunting. | - The second is scout and commander blood hunting. |
| <WRAP startpage_col_head> General Review | <WRAP startpage_col_head> General Review |
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| * Strengths | * Strengths |
| * Leveraging Strengths | * Leveraging Strengths |
| * You have access to all the a national summons of Lanka which opens up strong air, death and blood magic. These summons are also excellent thugs and SC's and are not unique so you can summon as many as you can afford. | * You have access to all the a national summons of Lanka which opens up strong air, death and blood magic. These summons are also excellent thugs and SC's and are not unique so you can summon as many as you can afford. |
| * You have elephants. (I know I know. I put this as both a strength and a weakness.) | * You have elephants. (I know I know. I put this as both a strength and a weakness.) |
| * ??Light Bandar Warrior??s are surprisingly good. Their sticks and stones have good range with 15 strength and hit hard as well. They shoot twice a round in combat. Use strength of giants or rush of strength to give Light Bandars the range of short bows. They also make excellent wall defenders or crushers. | |
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| | **??Light Bandar Warrior??s** are surprisingly good. Their sticks and stones have good range with 15 strength and hit hard as well. They shoot twice a round in combat. Use strength of giants or rush of strength to give Light Bandars the range of short bows. They also make excellent wall defenders or crushers. |
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| ==== Elephants ==== | ==== Elephants ==== |
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| Be careful with elephants. There are many good discussions of these weird units but my general belief is that they are severely overpriced given how easy they are to counter. I like to use them in year 1 for expansion but beyond that I generally suicide them since the upkeep is horrific. If you want tramplers later, earth and ice elementals are much more cost effective. One excellent trick is to send five elephants out with a ??Yogi?? and cast ??Body Ethereal#642?? on them. Later on if you still have some around or really enjoy them you can also get them to fly with your astral or blood air magi. | {{:nations:ma:bandar_log:elephant.png?nolink&70 |}}Be careful with elephants. There are many good discussions of these weird units but my general belief is that they are severely overpriced given how easy they are to counter. I like to use them in year 1 for expansion but beyond that I generally suicide them since the upkeep is horrific. If you want tramplers later, earth and ice elementals are much more cost effective. One excellent trick is to send five elephants out with a ??Yogi?? and cast ??Body Ethereal#642?? on them. Later on if you still have some around or really enjoy them you can also get them to fly with your astral or blood air magi. |
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| ===== Pretenders ===== | ===== Pretenders ===== |
| ==== Scales ==== | ==== Scales ==== |
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| === Heat/Cold === | ** {{heat}}Heat vs {{cold}}Cold ** |
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| They prefer heat 2 which gives I consider has two options. The first is go with heat 3 for 40 design points. This will have a light effect on income since temperature scales moves around a bit from summer to winter. Alternately you can go for neutral temperature for 80 design points. I don't recommend cold 1 especially with Patala since your important naga magi are cold blooded. There is also a strategic choice here. If you are expected cold preference nations it is a major disadvantage to allow their cold to seep into your lands. I usually go with heat 3. | They prefer heat 2 which gives I consider has two options. The first is go with heat 3 for 40 design points. This will have a light effect on income since temperature scales moves around a bit from summer to winter. Alternately you can go for neutral temperature for 80 design points. I don't recommend cold 1 especially with Patala since your important naga magi are cold blooded. There is also a strategic choice here. If you are expected cold preference nations it is a major disadvantage to allow their cold to seep into your lands. I usually go with heat 3. |
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| === Production/Sloth === | ** {{productivity}} Productivity vs {{sloth}} Sloth ** |
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| This is a difficult choice. Production gives good gold income and the ability to make high resource units quickly on demand is helpful. Historically people recommend full sloth scale for monkey nations but in Dominions 5 I think it's a more granular situation. As you work on your pretender idea this is a scale worth moving up or down to find points. One solution to sloth is to use gold to build more forts to compensate. | This is a difficult choice. Production gives good gold income and the ability to make high resource units quickly on demand is helpful. Historically people recommend full sloth scale for monkey nations but in Dominions 5 I think it's a more granular situation. As you work on your pretender idea this is a scale worth moving up or down to find points. One solution to sloth is to use gold to build more forts to compensate. |
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| === Order/Luck === | ** {{order}} Order vs {{turmoil}} Turmoil** and **{{luck}} Luck vs {{misfortune}} Misfortune ** |
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| Here things get interesting. I personally enjoy playing under luck scale. This analysis by Taorec gives a lot of detail: Scales Analysis I quite like using luck 3 for both of these nations particularly for the increase gem income. Depending on your pretender design and need for points, I prefer going getting points by reducing order even as far as turmoil 3 to pay for other important things. The loss of gold and recruitment points is significant but like all choices in pretender design there are costs and benefits. | Here things get interesting. I personally enjoy playing under luck scale. This analysis by Taorec gives a lot of detail: Scales Analysis I quite like using luck 3 for both of these nations particularly for the increase gem income. Depending on your pretender design and need for points, I prefer going getting points by reducing order even as far as turmoil 3 to pay for other important things. The loss of gold and recruitment points is significant but like all choices in pretender design there are costs and benefits. |
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| === Growth/Death === | ** {{growth}}Growth vs {{death}}Death ** |
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| This is a blood design. Growth 3 is wanted for avoiding population loss from hunting and patrolling and for the gold. You could go with Growth 1 but I don't recommend it. You are going to want to patrol like mad and you don't want excessive loss of gold. | This is a blood design. Growth 3 is wanted for avoiding population loss from hunting and patrolling and for the gold. You could go with Growth 1 but I don't recommend it. You are going to want to patrol like mad and you don't want excessive loss of gold. |
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| === Magic/Drain === | ** {{magic}}Magic vs {{drain}}Drain ** |
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| I am very fond of as much magic scale as you can afford since you have very cheap researchers in yogis so this leverages well. | I am very fond of as much magic scale as you can afford since you have very cheap researchers in yogis so this leverages well. |
| To make your blood economy the core unit is the national spell ??Summon Dakini?? which requires research to blood magic 6, magic of air 1 and blood 4 and 81 slaves. This need for air magic is quite critical and there are two solutions. You can take air and blood on the pretender or plan to empower a ??Kinnara?? from the conjuration spell using pearls to summon. The first is more reliable. | To make your blood economy the core unit is the national spell ??Summon Dakini?? which requires research to blood magic 6, magic of air 1 and blood 4 and 81 slaves. This need for air magic is quite critical and there are two solutions. You can take air and blood on the pretender or plan to empower a ??Kinnara?? from the conjuration spell using pearls to summon. The first is more reliable. |
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| A second option to start a decent blood economy requires using a hidden mechanic. ??Summon Asrapa?? at research of blood 3 provides 11 ??Asrapa??. In the [[https://larzm42.github.io/dom5inspector/|Mod inspector]] you can view that they have hidden blood 1 and holy 1 magic if made into commanders using ??Gift of Reason?? or ??Divine Name??. So if you have more nature gems than slaves this is an interesting option. | A second option to start a decent blood economy requires using a hidden mechanic. ??Summon Asrapa?? at research of blood 3 provides 11 ??Asrapa??. In the [[https://larzm42.github.io/dom5inspector/|Mod inspector]] you can view that they have hidden blood 1 and holy 1 magic if made into commanders using ??Gift of Reason?? or ??Divine Name??. So if you have more nature gems than slaves this is an interesting option.{{ :asrapa__modinspectorpic.png?400 |}} |
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| | ** Immobile ** |
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| | {{:pretenders:fountain_of_blood.png?nolink&50 |}}??Fountain of Blood?? comes with blood 3 and dominion 4 as an immobile. I like to give it astral 3 or more to teleport and you want to give it a bit of air magic to ??Summon Dakini??. If you don't add astral you will only be able to use it in your capital for blood hunting and that has significant gold cost. The air spell cloud trapeze does not work on immobiles. It will gather slaves very quickly. |
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| === Immobile === | {{:pretenders:devi_of_darkness.png?nolink&50 |}}??Devi of Darkness?? comes with earth 1 and blood 2 and can be a reasonable expander with two built-in weapons, four arms, some armour, fear, and the ability to use early earth buffs. Each additional point of earth magic increases protection and allows some good blesses. Again you will want to add air magic for Dakini. |
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| It comes with blood 3 and dominion 4 as an immobile. I like to give it astral 3 or more to teleport and you want to give it a bit of air magic to ??Summon Dakini??. If you don't add astral you will only be able to use it in your capital for blood hunting and that has significant gold cost. The air spell cloud trapeze does not work on immobiles. It will gather slaves very quickly. | |
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| === Titan === | {{:pretenders:man-eater.png?nolink&55 |}}??Man-Eater?? is also earth and blood but like all monsters the new path cost is very high. Like the Devi it's a viable expander and gives you that initial hunting ability. The population killer is a bit of a nuisance but with at least some growth scale can be managed. |
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| This titan comes with earth 1 and blood 2 and can be a reasonable expander with two built in weapons, four arms, some armour, fear and the ability to use early earth buffs. Each additional point of earth magic increases protection and allows some good blesses. Again you will want to add air magic for Dakini. | |
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| === Monster === | ** Rainbow ** |
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| ??Man-Eater?? | {{:pretenders:ghost_king.png?nolink&33 |}}??Ghost King?? With new path cost of 20 the Ghost King is an interesting near rainbow. I have successfully used Ghost Kings to expand from about turn 4 and up by forging a trinket shield and weapon with whatever gems you happen to have around. Later you can add an armour. I don't recommend trying to expand without any gear since its natural weapon is very weak. A quick research rush in alteration solves the protection issue. Watch out for magic weapons that negate it's ethereal. |
| This monster is also earth and blood but like all monsters the new path cost is very high. Like the Devi it's a viable expander and gives you that initial hunting ability. The population killer is a bit of a nuisance but with at least some growth scale can be managed. | |
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| === Rainbow === | {{:pretenders:great_enchantress.png?nolink&30 |}}??Great Enchantress?? is my favourite true rainbow for any astral nation due to the free astral pearl each turn. Many people prefer the ??Great Sage?? for the research boost and that is a viable alternative but with these nations pearls are very valuable. |
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| With new path cost of 20 the Ghost King is an interesting near rainbow. I have successfully used Ghost Kings to expand from about turn 4 and up by forging a trinket shield and weapon with whatever gems you happen to have around. Later you can add an armour. I don't recommend trying to expand without any gear since it's natural weapon is very weak. A quick research rush in alteration solves the protection issue. Watch out for magic weapons that negate it's ethereal. | |
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| This is my favourite true rainbow for any astral nation due to the free astral pearl each turn. Many people prefer the ??Great Sage?? for the research boost and that is a viable alternative but with these nations pearls are very valuable. | |
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| ==== Awakening ==== | ==== Awakening ==== |
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| ===== Expansion ===== | ===== Expansion ===== |
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| A incredibly popular topic back in Dominion 3 was how can you win with those crappy ??Markata??. Before they were made undisciplined there were some tricks. Overall though, I now only buy markata during expansion in small numbers. A few can soak those lance hits from heavy cavalry and save you losing valuable troops. You also get stuck with one of the crappiest starting armies in the game. Flinging monkey poo is just not enough. | A incredibly popular topic back in Dominion 3 was how can you win with those crappy ??Markata??. Before they were made undisciplined there were some tricks. Overall though, I now only buy markata during expansion in small numbers. A few can soak those lance hits from heavy cavalry and save you losing valuable troops. You also get stuck with one of the crappiest starting armies in the game. Flinging monkey poo is just not enough. |
| You are monkeys. It's time to apply some intelligence to expansion. You don't need resources early so don't worry about getting all the provinces around the capital. Rush for choke points. Mark off a piece of territory and negotiate. Leave provinces near home for later. Swap provinces with a neighbour if required. Don't worry about the province graph if you have moved outwards and looped back. You can catch up. Besides, you will never be the biggest with this strategy. Accept a moderate 12-15 provinces year one. | You are monkeys. It's time to apply some intelligence to expansion. You don't need resources early so don't worry about getting all the provinces around the capital. Rush for choke points. Mark off a piece of territory and negotiate. Leave provinces near home for later. Swap provinces with a neighbour if required. Don't worry about the province graph if you have moved outwards and looped back. You can catch up. Besides, you will never be the biggest with this strategy. Accept a moderate 12-15 provinces year one. |
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| A note on ??Markata??: I have successfully taken a heavy cavalry province with markata. I usually buy very few and wait to take out heavy cavalry later, but if you have to it works. Use at least 5:1 ratios and you need proper archer decoying. But each markata absorbs a lance hit (pretty funny to see each lance only do 5 hps). After that, the cavalry miss a lot at defence 14 and you get swarming going from size 1. It works. Tested and tried. | <WRAP group> |
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| | **A note on ??Markata??:** I have successfully taken a heavy cavalry province with markata. I usually buy very few and wait to take out heavy cavalry later, but if you have to it works. Use at least 5:1 ratios and you need proper archer decoying. But each markata absorbs a lance hit (pretty funny to see each lance only do 5 hps). After that, the cavalry miss a lot at defence 14 and you get swarming going from size 1. It works. Tested and tried. |
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| ==== Bandar Log Expansion ==== | ==== Bandar Log Expansion ==== |
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| In the case of Bandar Log, you have viable sacreds. If you took one of the light bless ideas, both ??Tiger Rider??s and ??White One??s work. Tigers are cost effective and with 3 attacks and 2 forms they expand quite well with minimal help. Of course, you need a priest. The prophet works fine for the first expansion army. For that reason, I prophetize the ??Bandar Commander?? and not the scout. A 5 hp prophet is a bit too fragile for my taste. But that only gets you one army. Damn. You could burn one capital only commander recruitment on a priest. Or you can hold back and buy some elephants as money arrives. A cheap priest and ??Vanara Captain?? can be recruited together for one turn of commander points and is an effective option for your second army. The bandar commanders are nice but a lot more expensive and the army won't be very big. | {{:nations:ma:bandar_log:tiger_rider.png?nolink&40 |}}In the case of Bandar Log, you have viable sacreds. If you took one of the light bless ideas, both ??Tiger Rider??s and ??White One??s work. Tigers are cost effective and with 3 attacks and 2 forms they expand quite well with minimal help. Of course, you need a priest. The prophet works fine for the first expansion army. For that reason, I prophetize the ??Bandar Commander?? and not the scout. A 5 hp prophet is a bit too fragile for my taste. But that only gets you one army. Damn. You could burn one capital only commander recruitment on a priest. Or you can hold back and buy some elephants as money arrives. A cheap priest and ??Vanara Captain?? can be recruited together for one turn of commander points and is an effective option for your second army. The bandar commanders are nice but a lot more expensive and the army won't be very big. |
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| So now what do you have? You probably can't move out till turn 3. But don't feel bad. Generally, I take my 5-6 tigers and half the start army. Prophet sits sort of middle and scripts Divine Bless and SMITE SMITE SMITE. The ??Atavi infantry?? sits just ahead of him on fire closest. Split your ??Markata archer??s in half. Put one squad up top right (or left) on fire. Keep the other squad behind your Atavi. Set your tigers slightly behind your prophet and below on the opposite side to the markata on attack rear. | So now what do you have? You probably can't move out till turn 3. But don't feel bad. Generally, I take my 5-6 tigers and half the start army. Prophet sits sort of middle and scripts Divine Bless and SMITE SMITE SMITE. The ??Atavi infantry?? sits just ahead of him on fire closest. Split your ??Markata archer??s in half. Put one squad up top right (or left) on fire. Keep the other squad behind your Atavi. Set your tigers slightly behind your prophet and below on the opposite side to the markata on attack rear. |
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| Well okay. The sacreds are not that terrible in Dominions 5 due to a couple very useful features for taking water provinces. They have great poison resistance and there is a lot of poison damage on the independent tribes in the water. They also have the hynotize ranged attack that helps to break up formations. Depending on the map, I buy a few and lead them with a ??Nagaraja?? or ??Nagarishi?? to take nearby water provinces. But they are damn poor on land. | Well okay. The sacreds are not that terrible in Dominions 5 due to a couple very useful features for taking water provinces. They have great poison resistance and there is a lot of poison damage on the independent tribes in the water. They also have the hynotize ranged attack that helps to break up formations. Depending on the map, I buy a few and lead them with a ??Nagaraja?? or ??Nagarishi?? to take nearby water provinces. But they are damn poor on land. |
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| ===== Building a Blood Economy ===== | ===== Building a Blood Economy ===== |
| The Lanka summons go beyond this guide and are best reviewed in a Lanka guide. But let's go over the key ones for a blood economy. Whether you use your pretender or scout and commander hunting to get your first slaves these are the key hunters in your magic. | The Lanka summons go beyond this guide and are best reviewed in a Lanka guide. But let's go over the key ones for a blood economy. Whether you use your pretender or scout and commander hunting to get your first slaves these are the key hunters in your magic. |
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| **The ??Asrapa??s:** ??Summon Asrapas??, Blood 3 research, Blood 2 to cast and 11 slaves cost. This gets you 5 pretty useless troops but that's not the wonder. ??Asrapa??s have a hidden B1 magic when made commanders by ??Gift of Reason??. This means that you can get your first set with 91 blood slaves (empower 1 = 50, empower 2 = 30 plus 11 to cast). This will take a while but is by no means hard. Now you have real hunters. It will burn some nature gems but there is no downside. You have nature in hordes. And it's very low on the research tree. | {{:nations:ma:bandar_log:asrapa.png?nolink&35 |}}**The ??Asrapa??s:** ??Summon Asrapas??, Blood 3 research, Blood 2 to cast and 11 slaves cost. This gets you 5 pretty useless troops but that's not the wonder. ??Asrapa??s have a hidden B1 magic when made commanders by ??Gift of Reason??. This means that you can get your first set with 91 blood slaves (empower 1 = 50, empower 2 = 30 plus 11 to cast). This will take a while but is by no means hard. Now you have real hunters. It will burn some nature gems but there is no downside. You have nature in hordes. And it's very low on the research tree. |
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| **The ??Dakini??:** ??Summon Dakini??, Blood 6 research, Air 1 Blood 2 to cast, 75 slaves. With monster paths and super thugging ability, the ??Dakini`` is the core of your economy. Once you have begun to summon ??Dakini?? you can roll out in power and style. In order to make life easy if not using a pretender with blood magic, I tend to empower a ??Kinnara?? from Conjuration 6 for summoning ??Dakini??. Given that both Bandar and Patala have excellent research you should be able to get to Conj 6 while scout hunting, get a ??Kinnara??, and make that your first blood mage while you then prep Blood 3 research and get some ??Thistle mace??s made. | {{:nations:ma:bandar_log:dakini.png?nolink&35 |}}**The ??Dakini??:** ??Summon Dakini??, Blood 6 research, Air 1 Blood 4 to cast, 81 slaves. With monster paths and super thugging ability, the ??Dakini?? is the core of your economy. Once you have begun to summon ??Dakini?? you can roll out in power and style. In order to make life easy if not using a pretender with blood magic, I tend to empower a ??Kinnara?? from Conjuration 6 for summoning ??Dakini??. Given that both Bandar and Patala have excellent research you should be able to get to Conj 6 while scout hunting, get a ??Kinnara??, and make that your first blood mage while you then prep Blood 3 research and get some ??Thistle mace??s made. |
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| **The ??Danava??:** ??Summon Davanas?? (note the spelling error), Blood 8 research, Blood 5 to cast, 75 slaves. You get 3 troop giants with sacred and horrific base equipment. ??Davana?? are the heavy lifting beasts of the Lanka summons. But the important part for this discussion is they have secret paths with ??Gift of Reason??. Check out them on the mod inspector or wiki. You will get various versions with air and blood magic. A2 are your cloud trapezing brutes. A1 can become commanders of other Danava. The blood versions can hunt while defending border provinces or go off fighting with blood vengeance buff. And if you get some crappy randoms, they actually make pretty good reanimators in border provinces. I happen to really like the monkey ghouls (pisacha). They are not mindless, have high str, and give you some solid fort crackers for dirt cheap. | {{:nations:ma:bandar_log:danava.png?nolink&50 |}}**The ??Danava??:** ??Summon Danavas??, Blood 8 research, Blood 5 to cast, 75 slaves. You get 3 troop giants with sacred and horrific base equipment. ??Davana?? are the heavy lifting beasts of the Lanka summons. But the important part for this discussion is they have secret paths with ??Gift of Reason??. Check out them on the mod inspector or wiki. You will get various versions with air and blood magic. A2 are your cloud trapezing brutes. A1 can become commanders of other Danava. The blood versions can hunt while defending border provinces or go off fighting with blood vengeance buff. And if you get some crappy randoms, they actually make pretty good reanimators in border provinces. I happen to really like the monkey ghouls (pisacha). They are not mindless, have high str, and give you some solid fort crackers for dirt cheap. |
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| //And that is that for now! Feel free to discuss this in the comments here or on the [[https://discord.gg/enp2Yh|Discord server]]. Enjoy and fling poo with enthusiam.// | //And that is that for now! Feel free to discuss this in the comments here or on the [[https://discord.gg/enp2Yh|Discord server]]. Enjoy and fling poo with enthusiam.// |
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