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====== Miscellaneous ====== | ====== Miscellaneous ====== | ||
- | ===== Defensive Pacts and Alliances | + | ===== Coalitions |
- | Those who have not played Dominions 5 might be surprised to find out that defensive pacts are almost non-existent in the community. In a Dominions 5 MP game you exist in a state of nature (as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/ | + | {{:guides: |
- | ==== Defensive pact ==== | + | From the perspective |
- | Generally two nations agree to come to each others aid if one of them is attacked. Since diplomacy | + | |
- | * **Do’s:** Set clear expectations, | + | |
- | * **Dont’s: | + | |
- | ==== Alliance ==== | + | Keep in mind that gathering players into a coalition, and keeping them inside a coalition is almost |
- | If defensive pacts are like white ravens, alliances are like people who win the lottery… twice. The level of cooperation within what is referred to as an alliance can vary greatly, but should include: information sharing | + | |
- | * **Do’s:** everything that pertains to defensive pacts + a lot more communication. Works best with people you know in real life, or have known for a long time. Always maintain a healthy dose of skepticism, to avoid being sucker punched | + | |
- | * **Dont’s:** Same as defensive pacts + a much larger commitment to the other player. An alliance has little purpose if you (or the other player) | + | |
+ | ==== Breaking up coalitions against you ==== | ||
+ | Just as coalitions can be powerful when aimed at your enemies, they are equally dangerous when aimed at you. If you become the target of a coalition, then you have multiple options: | ||
+ | - Fight them all off if you are strong enough. | ||
+ | - Sign a separate peace with a few of your attackers to focus on a smaller part of the coalition. You might need to give up territory/ | ||
+ | - ‘Turtle’ as in hide in your forts and avoid major engagements for 10-15 turns, as usually in that amount of time some nations will leave the coalition due to a change in their own position. | ||
+ | - Avoid getting coalition-ed in the first place - do whatever is necessary to achieve that | ||
+ | ===== Defensive Pacts and Alliances ===== | ||
+ | Those who have not played Dominions 5 might be surprised to find out that defensive pacts are almost non-existent in the community. In a Dominions 5 MP game you exist in a state of nature (as [[https:// | ||
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+ | Generally two nations agree to come to each others aid if one of them is attacked. Since diplomacy is not binding, one should only sign such pacts with players they trust or have known for a while (and can thus determine how the player will honor their word regarding the pact or not). Defensive pacts can be limited //“I’ll help you if and only if Player B attacks you”//, or general //“I’ll help you regardless who attacks you.”// | ||
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+ | Defensive pacts usually should be kept as a secret, if publicized, they should be publicized in such a way as to act as a deterrent to aggression, rather than it acting as a magnet that draws negative attention on to the two players who signed the pact. Sometimes it is sufficient to let a player C know that you will come to the aid of player B if they get attacked by player C. </ | ||
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+ | ==== Do’s ==== | ||
+ | * Set clear expectations, | ||
+ | * Be sure that both parties are exactly clear on what they want and are getting out of this defensive pact. | ||
+ | * Be sure to discuss what would violate the defensive pact (throne rush/remote attacks etc.). | ||
+ | </ | ||
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+ | ==== Dont’s ==== | ||
+ | * Publicize it willy nilly. | ||
+ | * Try to extort your defensive pact partner. | ||
+ | * Break a defensive pact without proper warning. | ||
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+ | </ | ||
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+ | If defensive pacts are like white ravens, alliances are like people who win the lottery… twice. The level of cooperation within what is referred to as an alliance can vary greatly, but should include: information sharing (scouting etc.), trading with minimal tariffs, mutual defense, and, possibly, coordinated attacks/ | ||
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+ | ==== Do’s === | ||
+ | * Everything that pertains to defensive pacts + a lot more communication. | ||
+ | * Works best with people you know in real life, or have known for a long time. | ||
+ | * Always maintain a healthy dose of skepticism, to avoid being sucker punched if your ally decides to turn on you. | ||
+ | </ | ||
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+ | ==== Dont’s ==== | ||
+ | * Same as defensive pacts + a much larger commitment to the other player. An alliance has little purpose if you (or the other player) are not willing to live up to the obligations of the alliance that you signed. | ||
+ | </ | ||
+ | </ | ||
===== Etiquette to ‘vulturing’ ===== | ===== Etiquette to ‘vulturing’ ===== | ||
**‘Vulturing’** is the act of taking lands from player B, after player A has crushed most of the armies of player B. This leads to great antipathy from player A, who expects to receive all the spoils from fighting player B. Your act of swooping in like a vulture and picking off pieces from player B is thus viewed in a negative light. If one wants to vulture, it is better if they at least participate in the war against player B (to have some legitimacy to the claim of some of the lands of player B). Barring that, you should reach out to player A and politely negotiate for some of the spoils from player B citing: your rested and well equipped armies, your future goodwill towards player A, the importance of ‘nice’ borders (whatever that means), and importance of maintaining the ‘balance’ after player A has taken all/most of player B’s lands. | **‘Vulturing’** is the act of taking lands from player B, after player A has crushed most of the armies of player B. This leads to great antipathy from player A, who expects to receive all the spoils from fighting player B. Your act of swooping in like a vulture and picking off pieces from player B is thus viewed in a negative light. If one wants to vulture, it is better if they at least participate in the war against player B (to have some legitimacy to the claim of some of the lands of player B). Barring that, you should reach out to player A and politely negotiate for some of the spoils from player B citing: your rested and well equipped armies, your future goodwill towards player A, the importance of ‘nice’ borders (whatever that means), and importance of maintaining the ‘balance’ after player A has taken all/most of player B’s lands. | ||
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Use your own discretion when making these calls. | Use your own discretion when making these calls. | ||
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- | ===== Remote assassination spells | + | <WRAP group> |
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+ | ===== Remote assassination spells ===== | ||
There are **remote assassination spells** that do not show/tell who was the caster. ??Seeking Arrow?? is one of them. Only use these tools if you can achieve plausible deniability (other nations/ | There are **remote assassination spells** that do not show/tell who was the caster. ??Seeking Arrow?? is one of them. Only use these tools if you can achieve plausible deniability (other nations/ | ||
+ | </ | ||
+ | ===== Spells reported as random events ===== | ||
There are also spells that are reported as random events: ??Black Death??, ?? | There are also spells that are reported as random events: ??Black Death??, ?? | ||
+ | </ | ||
===== Scouting ===== | ===== Scouting ===== | ||
Don’t trust some of the older players who scoff at scouts. Get scouts. If you don’t have them natively, summon them (black servants etc.). Gaining knowledge of where the enemies armies are can be vital for your survival, or as a trade item with another player. For beginners, seed all the provinces of your neighbors with scouts. Once you become more comfortable with using scouts, you will be able to diminish the amount that you need. | Don’t trust some of the older players who scoff at scouts. Get scouts. If you don’t have them natively, summon them (black servants etc.). Gaining knowledge of where the enemies armies are can be vital for your survival, or as a trade item with another player. For beginners, seed all the provinces of your neighbors with scouts. Once you become more comfortable with using scouts, you will be able to diminish the amount that you need. | ||
- | Things to pay attention to while scouting: | + | <WRAP box round > |
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* Enemy bless and army composition. | * Enemy bless and army composition. | ||
* Unguarded/ | * Unguarded/ | ||
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* Thug and troop movements, | * Thug and troop movements, | ||
* Lone commanders (probably building forts). | * Lone commanders (probably building forts). | ||
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- | All of this information can be vital. | + | </ |
====== Disciples Diplomacy: (2+ Player Disciple Teams) ====== | ====== Disciples Diplomacy: (2+ Player Disciple Teams) ====== | ||
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- | <WRAP box round> | + | <WRAP box round> ===== Two useful YouTube videos on Diplomacy ===== |
- | + | <WRAP column half>{{:wiki:lucid.jpg?64 |}} | |
- | Lucid’s Multiplayer Guide - Diplomacy | + | Lucid’s Multiplayer Guide - Diplomacy: https:// |
</ | </ | ||
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+ | Perun’s Dominions 5 Strategy: Diplomacy Concepts: https:// | ||
+ | </ | ||
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